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    Unhappy Welcome to nowhere...

    Hi All,

    A dreary day here in New York and I feel like whinging and I need to unload. If this were Usenet, I’d be a bad girl and crosspost this to a bunch of different newsgroups. But it’s not and I can’t so I’m posting it here. The moderators can move or delete this as they see appropriate.

    This post is long, it rambles and I’m not even sure that I have a point, but it’s how I’m feeling today and I refuse to edit it for content or length. I’ll understand if you haven’t the intestinal fortitude to read through all of this crap.

    While I suppose that I’ve always been different, it wasn’t until I was about 12 or 13 that I really thought or did anything about it. I felt alone and that I was a freak and that I was the only person in the world to feel the way I did. There was no internet, no support groups - just me and my secret feeding off of each other like some sick symbiosis. Like most teenagers, I wanted to 'fit in' but found it quite difficult and ultimately found myself 'on the outside' most of the time. By the end of high school, I was miserable and ready to cut my losses and call it quits. I came pretty close, but ultimately decided to stick it out a bit longer. I’ve often wondered if I made the right choice.

    Between 18 and 35 I managed to attend university, meet a wonderful girl who actually liked me, get married and have a child (my wife had the child, but you get the idea. ) I ‘resolved’ (i.e. rationalized) my issues during this time with the explanation that I was a ‘guy’ just like any other, but with a few quirky things I like to do. I pledged and was made a ‘brother’ of a national fraternity, I got married, worked and had a family – just one of the ‘guys’ if you will. It all sounded good and it worked – for a while.

    Then I discovered the internet and Usenet. For those who don’t know, Usenet are the public internet ‘newsgroups’ – not unlike these forums – but largely unmoderated and quite often a free-for-all. I found the crossdressing groups and a whole ‘community’ of other people like myself. Finally - someplace where I felt *included* as opposed to excluded. I logged (too) many hours there and a search in Google Groups for me in alt.support.crossdressing will turn up hundreds of posts starting around 1997-98. My time there, however, came with a price. Perhaps I was just overdue - but I wound up having a meltdown as all my ‘issues’ came to a head.

    It took me a while to sort it all out - again. When the smoke cleared, I found myself enlightened with the knowledge that there was more to the world of gender than simply ‘men’ and ‘women’. I realized that I didn’t ‘fit’ into either camp, and that ultimately, I didn’t feel that I really had any gender in particular – “Both… and Neither…” I’d say. I also found out something else: I no longer felt that sense of belonging with my peers on line. Yes, I made my posts, explained my position and lobbied for my definition of self. But for a few likeminded souls, I was once again on the outside. I decided that we ‘in-between’ people needed a newsgroup of our own, so I went through the whole proposal process and created alt.support.intergendered. We had a good run – about a year or so of activity and some *really* good discussions. Ultimately, however, traffic died down and the group is now all but dead. It doesn’t even get spammed. I was alone again.

    As I said before, we all just want to fit in. While sorting my life out, I struck up a friendship with a T* girl in Nevada. For about a year, we exchanged novella length emails offering support and friendship for each other. She was TS tracked and I wasn’t. Ultimately she and her wife separated and my friend wound up moving on. The emails between us slowed and it’s been a couple of years since I’ve heard from her. We were two people who connected – really connected - for a short time and helped each other get through a difficult situation. I can accept that the ‘parting’ was inevitable, but it only reinforces my feeling as an outsider.

    For the last four years or so, I have been the maintainer of the charters for the four Usenet newsgroups: alt.fashion.crossdressing, alt.support.crossdressing, alt.support.intergendered and alt.support.crossliving. I post the charters weekly and scan the groups - but rarely participate in any threads. I’ve grown too apart from the ‘culture’ of Usenet and frankly, I have neither the time nor desire to get into flame wars any more. It was good while it lasted, but I just don’t fit there anymore.

    End of December, I found this site and I have to say that it is by far the best online group I’ve seen. The members are courteous and there seems to be a *genuine* sense of community here. Everyone involved is to be commended for making this the place that it is. In my search for a community of my peers, this seemed promising.

    Someone here posted to the effect that it’s a lonely place trying to live outside the societal ‘norms’ for gender and I can attest to that. I have been reading about what everyone else is doing and has going on in their lives. While there is very much to which I can and do relate, I can’t help but feel that I’m somehow removed from it all. There has to be place I fit in.

    So I start to play the label game (again) – and I hate labels. I should be well over this stage, but it sneaks back now and again when I’m in a funk …

    Am I a crossdresser? Insofar as I wear women’s clothing almost exclusively – yes I am. Do I try and be as feminine as I can – no, not really. While I do have some ‘girly’ traits, I’m just not into the whole dress up thing. I did it for a while – almost a year. Skirts, blouse, hose & pumps on an almost daily basis. It was fun, I liked it – and I kind of outgrew it. I own exactly three dresses (which haven’t really been worn in about five years) and no skirts. I’m more of a ‘trousers and jumper’ kind of girl. ? My ‘look’ - such as it is - is somewhere in the middle. It confuses people, which is good. I have a person goal to screw with at least one person’s head every day. I think by and large I succeed – even if that person is me.

    Am I Transgender? Insofar as I identify as something other than a ‘man’ or ‘woman’, yes. Do I ‘live as a woman’ – no. I don’t know that I could. I don’t ‘feel’ like a woman… I don’t ‘feel’ like a man… I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean – ‘feel like a woman’… How the hell could I? It’s an entire set of experiences to which I will *never* have access. And while I was raised as a boy, I maintain that being the way I am didn’t allow me to have the experiences that regular ‘boys’ do. I feel like something - but bog only knows what it is.

    And on and on it goes - until I’ve run out of labels and names to call myself.

    I spent my entire adolescence hating that I felt the way I felt and that I did the things I did. I was made fun of and felt I deserved it. I felt like a freak. All I wanted was to know where my place in the world was. I mean, was it really so much to ask? Surely I fit in *somewhere*… Someone, just point me to my corner of the playground – PLEASE!

    So after some thirty years of self loathing and self indulgence; of purges and promises; of therapy and self reflection; of education and understanding – after turning myself inside-out and *finally* accepting who and what I am, I found my place: standing outside the fence of the playground, watching the other kids play.

    And do you know what the really amusing part of this is? (I know you’ve been waiting for the funny part.) This is where I was all along. Clearly, I’ve lost the plot somewhere along the way. As a kid, I didn’t fit in and I felt like a freak - it’s now clear why. I need only look in the mirror and acknowledge that which is staring back at me. It couldn’t be more obvious if it was tattooed across my forehead.

    Sure, I have a few friends and sometimes the other kids will play with me. But for the most part, I’m off on my own, standing by the fence - and even that’s too close. So I walk through the gate and find myself outside. I take a deep breath… It feels right. It feels safe. I feel I’m finally where I belong.


    And as I look around, I find myself firmly rooted in the middle of nowhere – and it really is a lonely place.


    Thanks for letting me vent.


    Love & Stuff,
    Donna
    Just your average transgender non-op transsexual
    crossdressing genderqueer transgenderist geek.


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    Donna,

    First I hope that by coming here you feel a little less lonely.

    Life is never an easy journey and the twists that we have in ours surely make it more difficult. Male and female as you said is a continium and we are each in a different place on it. Trying to fit ourselves in a place as we look around at others and try to occupy their spot won't work. The more we try, the more we get frustrated. Enjoy who you are and be content that you are getting to know youself more each day.

    Love,
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    Leann

    Enjoy who you are but stay safe.

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    If ever as place was put here to help you find yourself this is the one. This community is full of loving and caring people of all different sizes, shapes, backgrounds and are all over the spectrum in thier quest for that inner understanding we all seek.

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    I've been a weirdo to every group of people I have ever hung around with, but I've found I can get at least functional friendship in a lot of different places. I can move around, and not have to stay in one place all thru recess. Or I can just go off by myself if there is nobody there at the moment. If I were in the middle of nowhere, I would not want to put down roots, I'd be an animal, not a plant. I'd have to keep walking around to find food, but I could run away from any fire. (No one way is all disadvantages.)

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    You are not rooted in the middle of nowhere, you are among your sisters who all care about you very much.

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    HOW I CAN RELATE!
    There are many days I get up and say to myself, "whats the use" Or will there ever be a change?
    I like you have tryed all aspects of the gammit, from endulgeance to denial!I hide my girl things from site just to find my self going back! I also never fit in anywhere as a child! Teen! Adult! Husband! Male or Female !
    I even came to the point the other day of what is the use trying to comunicate here!
    All I know is since I have found the forum here, at least I know that I'm with like minded people! For the LONGEST time , I felt that I was totaly alone in my feeling, desires, and struggles in a lifestyle that I couldnt nor still cant explain!
    I guess sometimes we are better off standing outside the fence just looking in!
    I just kep looking for that pill!! dont care which color it is, just give me one to make this all understandable!

    HUGS! Sheli

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    Hello again, Donna. While this place is for sharing and support, it can also be pretty good for venting . I hope it helped.

    As Laurie alluded to, there is great diversity within this big ol' tranny playground. While not many will relate to your story 100%, most of us will relate to part of it. By virtue of our CDing, we are all outsiders to a certain extent... in the real world, but not here. This is our little oasis. Sometimes girls just want to watch from outside the fence, other times we want to skip rope or play dress-up (oh yeah, we do the dress-up thing alot). But wherever "we're at" at the moment, it's all good. Hopefully we can learn to trust and accept ourselves and each other more with each day. Now that's a playground I'd like to visit often.

    Huhgs,

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    Truth

    Donna Yours words come home to me like Truth! I think that was Robert Shaw,no matter we all have been there in one form or another. It's who we are, and your never and will Never be alone. From where I'm standing today, Who's on the wrong side of the Fence? I being to wonder if it is us.
    There is so much compassion and understanding here, with a good mix of worldly humor and fun.
    Isn't that what we are all looking for on a Safe Playground?

    Keep In Touch~ Big Huggs Rena

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    Donna,

    First, an excellent post! You describe what many of us feel.

    The process that we are going through is finding our way back to ourselves. We are born into a society that wants to define us as either masculine or feminine but the reality is that we are all of the above. Some people are happy and content to define themselves in such terms and then there are the those of us who intrinsically understand that it just is not that simple. We are not comfortable with such a binary definition. We want to express all of who we are. That is what makes us different, what makes us outsiders. It is also what makes us very special people.

    I too have gone to many places on the Internet looking for a place to belong and this place, this group of people, the support, the insight, the warmth and the caring have given me the first sense that I belonged just the way I am. For the first time I feel that there is nothing wrong with me.

    Hang around here for a while and I believe you will come to feel the same way.

    Thanks for your wonderful post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Donna
    And as I look around, I find myself firmly rooted in the middle of nowhere – and it really is a lonely place.

    Thanks for letting me vent.

    Love & Stuff,
    Donna
    Donna,

    You may be in the middle of nowhere, but you're not alone. Look around and I think you'll see that there's plenty of us "freaks" in the playground too. I'd be happy to play with you.

    And feel free to vent anytime.
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    boi - gurl - whatever... Ms. Donna's Avatar
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    Hi All,

    Less dreary today, ergo less whinging. I appreciate the supportive words. As I said, I needed to vent. Were I still seeing my therapist, she would have heard this and my purse would be $70 lighter. I much prefer sharing with a group of like minded individuals. It is only because I was able share and learn from the experiences of others that I’ve gotten as far as I have in all of this. Thank you.

    Were I able to ‘indulge’ only occasionally, I’m sure that my life would be easier. But I tried that and found that it provided little relief. I needed to be me as ‘full time’ as possible – all I had to do was find who ‘me’ was. As I sifted and sorted through my experiences, thoughts and feelings, what finally coalesced as a sense of self is what I am now. I have no true experiences as a ‘woman’ and my experiences as a ‘man’ are so tainted as to be largely unreliable. What I’m left with is a view of the world – and myself – which is neither a man’s nor a woman’s – it’s something all its own.

    I am, by my nature, a shy person and yet I present to the world in a way in which I attract attention to myself. I do it not for the reason of attracting attention, but because it resonates with how I see and feel about myself. An unfortunate side effect of this is that on a daily basis, it places me at odds with what society feels I ‘ought’ to be. I have, for all intents and purposes, extricated myself from the groups ‘man’ and ‘woman’. And in a society where binary gender “isn’t just a good idea – it’s the law” I find myself, well… nowhere.

    From a functional, practical standpoint, being a ‘mix’ of genders and having no gender amount to the same thing. However, from an intellectual standpoint they are *very* different things. For me, identifying as a ‘mix of genders’ implies that I have set of experiences such that I can relate to either gender. Identifying as having ‘no gender’ implies that I have set of experiences *outside* of those defining either gender. I know I’m picking nits, but their mine to pick.

    As I see it, this isn’t a ‘choice’ I’ve made. I’d like to be able to say “I’m a man” or “I’m a woman” or even “I’m both”, but the fact of the matter is that I can’t. In a society where ‘man’ and ‘woman’ are in binary opposition to one another, where does one position oneself if they are in opposition to both?

    Pretty much - nowhere. And I’m OK with nowhere - despite my lengthy missive to the contrary.

    I’m good with my life about 95% of the time. It’s that 5% that gets to me now and again. When I dwell on things, I get in a funk. And when I’m in a funk, I whinge. My apologies.

    It’s been a long while since I’ve done a brain dump on all of this and I guess I was due. I wanted and needed to share this. Thanks for providing a warm place to do so.

    Love & Stuff,
    Donna
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