I mostly agree with you gendermutt ( and you do have the coolest avatar name on this forum!) for the most part, but I never see Gay men as more feminine. The have their own gay-male way of speaking and talking, and that's perfectly expected and fine, but their own gay uniqueness doesn't remind me of females in the least. We are indeed a whole rainbow of people insides and out, and that's welcome indeed, because it makes life full and wonderful. Lets hope the climb out is a short one or at least speeds up a little.