Please don't apologise to me for anything, we are who we are right? I come across as the forum Nazi admin... does it bother me? sometimes... but it's just an opinion... I'm still here right? I don't think anyone has the right to be showing their underwear in public, isn't that just indecent anyway? I also don't agree with people going in shops, trying on loads of clothes just for the thrill, especially when they rip the clothes and shove them back on the shelves/hangers etc.. I saw a lovely skirt once that I wanted to buy, sadly some moron had tried it on and broke the zip... instead of handing it in, they simply put it back on the hanger... could have been anyone... The point is, some people just do not know how to behave in public and they drag anyone down that is in their catergory so to speak.... such is life eh?